so, here goes again

[Ray Heath]

i can't believe there is no-one else willing to put their work up for critique/appraisal/feedback

what do you all think of this image?

the original negative (6x6) was created on photographic paper when testing the shutter on an old Mamiya C33 camera

the greenish tone was added by computer

i really like this image and am considering hybrid means to create a larger version

is the image worth taking further?

what process would you use?

any comment/s???

[ann]

assuming that people aren't willing to post work for critiques is a bit strong.

i tend not to critique work on line as there are too many variables which can inflence what my monitor records and i feel it is unfair to rely on that as a guide line for making a judgement about a print. Others have a different view point which is fine.

For instance, i have downloaded images to show my students, on my monitor they may look underexposed , etc. ; when i show them at school on an LCD monitor and blow up to about 4x3 foot in size they may look over exposed.

And no, i have not calibrated my monitor to the schools system as others use that system and i feel it is unfair .

with direct regard to you question about is the image worth taking further, sure, why not, it is interesting, as to which process; what makes your heart sing that should be your guide.

[Mvnelson]

I like the image. I am not at all a critic...not qualified...no desire...What I am is someone will honestly say I like that or not... I would print that image VDB or PT/PD because as was mentioned earlier that would "make my heart sing..."..What do you think?

Miles

[Ray Heath]

assuming that people aren't willing to post work for critiques is a bit strong.

i tend not to critique work on line as there are too many variables which can inflence what my monitor records and i feel it is unfair to rely on that as a guide line for making a judgement about a print. Others have a different view point which is fine.

For instance, i have downloaded images to show my students, on my monitor they may look underexposed , etc. ; when i show them at school on an LCD monitor and blow up to about 4x3 foot in size they may look over exposed.

And no, i have not calibrated my monitor to the schools system as others use that system and i feel it is unfair .

with direct regard to you question about is the image worth taking further, sure, why not, it is interesting, as to which process; what makes your heart sing that should be your guide.

g'day ann

more than an assumption, it's plainly obvious

JD set up this forum 16 days ago, i started the first thread that same day and now i have started the second thread 15 days later

and yes ann, there many variables in digital presentation, just as there are many variables in 'real' photography, not learning how to get the best out of digital is just a cop out or laziness

digital is here, it is the medium of our time, we took the effort to learn other aspects of this site why don't we learn how to do good presentation, after all photography is presentation

[Ray Heath]

I like the image. I am not at all a critic...not qualified...no desire...What I am is someone will honestly say I like that or not... I would print that image VDB or PT/PD because as was mentioned earlier that would "make my heart sing..."..What do you think?

Miles

hi Mv
why do think you aren't a critic?

what qualification do you feel you lack?

are you not interested in visual communication?

don't have an opinion?

[Donald Miller]

Ray,

This is a virtual duplicate of a post that you made on Apug some months ago. I wonder why that this keeps reappearing.

Apparently you have thoughts and opinions that are not shared by the vast majority. Does this then make this a failure of the vast majority or an individual matter?

It would seem to me that you have the opinion that visual imagery is global in appreciation and application and perhaps the difficulty is that visual imagery is highly subjective in it's application and appreciation. Visual imagery may very well speak more to the individual creating it then it will to a broader audience. It is for that reason that it becomes very difficult for others to critique someone's work beyond simple technical considerations. Even technical critique is highly subjective and probably, for that reason, invalid at best.

For instance if a strong Zone System practitioner were to look at the Brett Weston photo of Garrapata Beach, they would most likely find the empty deep blacks to be highly offensive to their sensibilities...yet taken beyond the simply technical, the image is strong and compelling for others...however this image is not global in it's appreciation by others by any means.

We need to become the cheering section in our own parade, it would appear.

[ann]

ray,

i am clueless as to how you came up with cop out and laziness with my statement.

frankly , i should have gone with my first blush and not responded.,

my bad.

[Ray Heath]

Ray,

This is a virtual duplicate of a post that you made on Apug some months ago. I wonder why that this keeps reappearing.

Apparently you have thoughts and opinions that are not shared by the vast majority. Does this then make this a failure of the vast majority or an individual matter?

It would seem to me that you have the opinion that visual imagery is global in appreciation and application and perhaps the difficulty is that visual imagery is highly subjective in it's application and appreciation. Visual imagery may very well speak more to the individual creating it then it will to a broader audience. It is for that reason that it becomes very difficult for others to critique someone's work beyond simple technical considerations. Even technical critique is highly subjective and probably, for that reason, invalid at best.

For instance if a strong Zone System practitioner were to look at the Brett Weston photo of Garrapata Beach, they would most likely find the empty deep blacks to be highly offensive to their sensibilities...yet taken beyond the simply technical, the image is strong and compelling for others...however this image is not global in it's appreciation by others by any means.

We need to become the cheering section in our own parade, it would appear.

thank you Donald

much of what you write is true, this is to some extent a rehash and duplication of previous threads and ideas i have posted

my intent then, as now, is to spark debate on subjects other than the technical

visual imagery may not be global, i don't know, i'd like to see this and other non-technical issues discussed

i may be in the minority, does that mean i shouldn't try to raise issues i feel are important?

should we only discuss 'safe' topics?

i also held out some hope that my postings might encourage others to express their opinions

Ray

[Ray Heath]

ray,

i am clueless as to how you came up with cop out and laziness with my statement.

frankly , i should have gone with my first blush and not responded.,

my bad.

hi ann
i didn't find cop out and laziness in your statement, that's not what i wrote

my comment was in relation to the view often expressed on this site, and APUG, that digital presentation is lacking compared to 'real' printing

frankly, you were right to respond, i respect your opinion

Ray

[bob carnie]

Ray

Not trying to be a dick here
, but I posted three images in november 06 for a critique , Your response was that my post was confusing and would not comment . When I tried to give more details the thread went nowhere, and you certainely did not give a response to my reply to you.
More than an assumption, its plainly obvious . the emporer is wearing no clothes here.
At that time I swore that I would never post an image for critique on any web based forum and today I would be very cautious to do so.
My thread goes back 7months

g'day ann

more than an assumption, it's plainly obvious

JD set up this forum 16 days ago, i started the first thread that same day and now i have started the second thread 15 days later

and yes ann, there many variables in digital presentation, just as there are many variables in 'real' photography, not learning how to get the best out of digital is just a cop out or laziness

digital is here, it is the medium of our time, we took the effort to learn other aspects of this site why don't we learn how to do good presentation, after all photography is presentation