Gum Over Pigment ( First Attempt)

[Davec]

Have been trying lots of different ways of getting a colour image, by far the most succesfull is my first gum over pigment print (bonded to aluminum). Cyan and Magenta printed as a pigment print through the epson 3800, then applying yellow and black as gum. The print scan below has not had the k layer yet. I was thinking of whether platinum might go over the top of it all but it might not come out well, will try later and report on results

[Loris Medici]

Looks nice Dave!

BTW, why not using cyanotype as the C layer? I know you're very competent w/ cyanotype...??? What are the specifics of not going down that - well known / almost standard - route?

I wouldn't try any of the iron processes on top of gum layers myself. I don't say it won't work, but it may not work the way you like due to irregular surface - e.g. different thickness of gum layers forming the underlying image...

Regards,
Loris.

[Davec]

Looks nice Dave!

BTW, why not using cyanotype as the C layer? I know you're very competent w/ cyanotype...??? What are the specifics of not going down that - well known / almost standard - route?

I wouldn't try any of the iron processes on top of gum layers myself. I don't say it won't work, but it may not work the way you like due to irregular surface - e.g. different thickness of gum layers forming the underlying image...

Regards,
Loris.

Am still be going down the cyanotype route, just want to try some other methods at the moment, its still early days. The main problem is the magenta layer, i am still not getting enough colour from it although i have yet to increase the saturation which i might try when i get the time.

I was in madrid last week and saw some stunning gum over pigment prints and thought i would see what results i can get. Have just put the k layer down am waiting to dry and will post result.

[Colin Graham]

Are you using proof view with the images file? I've been neglecting screen proofing and I think this was a big part of my desaturation problems. Even using a basic CMYK/ US web coated proof with simulate paper white checked gives a startlingly close facsimile of the desaturated colors I've been getting in my prints. It's pretty straightforward to manipulate the file to get it back to what you're going for.

Pigment/alt prints are great though in their own right- my pigment kallitypes look so much like the screen files it's difficult to justify working so hard on tricolor gum.

[Loris Medici]

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Pigment/alt prints are great though in their own right- my pigment kallitypes look so much like the screen files it's difficult to justify working so hard on tricolor gum.

Well, if I want a print that looks exactly what I see on the screen I just use inkjet... What makes me doing gum is the slow, multi-layering working style, letting the results (and serendipity) open the path to next move. I feel that prints done that way (interactively) have soul(!), unlike inkjet (or lambda) prints.

Regards,
Loris.

[bob carnie]

What about lambda negs, they have no soul
How about lambda fibre prints, they have no soul

I think your statement is quite naive.

Well, if I want a print that looks exactly what I see on the screen I just use inkjet... What makes me doing gum is the slow, multi-layering working style, letting the results (and serendipity) open the path to next move. I feel that prints done that way (interactively) have soul(!), unlike inkjet (or lambda) prints.

Regards,
Loris.

[Colin Graham]

Well, if I want a print that looks exactly what I see on the screen I just use inkjet... What makes me doing gum is the slow, multi-layering working style, letting the results (and serendipity) open the path to next move. I feel that prints done that way (interactively) have soul(!), unlike inkjet (or lambda) prints.

Regards,
Loris.

I'm sure we all have different goals Loris. Many of us print for clients in addition to ourselves. Not sure clients would enjoy my happy mistakes so much! But, I loath surprises- that's just me.

[Don Bryant]

Well, if I want a print that looks exactly what I see on the screen I just use inkjet... What makes me doing gum is the slow, multi-layering working style, letting the results (and serendipity) open the path to next move. I feel that prints done that way (interactively) have soul(!), unlike inkjet (or lambda) prints.

Regards,
Loris.

FWIW, I've seen 2 color gum over cyanotype that looks pretty good - complete with bright saturated colors made with 1 coat of each gum layer.

Don

[Davec]

FWIW, I've seen 2 color gum over cyanotype that looks pretty good - complete with bright saturated colors made with 1 coat of each gum layer.

Don

Yeah I bet they are, cant wait until i get the hang of it as i love the print characteristics of 2 color over cyanotype, i have found that adding another layer, making four layers in total makes the print have a really great finish that i like, although as before i have yet to get the colors the way i want yet.

[Loris Medici]

Bob,

I'm talking about the "final object". (The "soul" of the image itself is a complete other issue, BTW...) And yes, "to me", neigther lambda nor inket prints - as objects - have the soul that handmade print have, even the criteria is kept at bare minimum. Perhaps it's you who's being naive; by comparing lambda/inkjet "prints" (not negatives, I'm not talking about the "means"; it's all about - again - the "final object!) with alt-process prints, in terms of the soul(!) they have...

Mannaggia! (:confused

What about lambda negs, they have no soul

How about lambda fibre prints, they have no soul

I think your statement is quite naive.