Pl/pt with cyanotype

[sly]

Has anyone tried combining these? Does it matter which you print first? can you use the same digital negative for each, or do you need different negatives with different curves for each process? I'm thinking of experimenting, but like to know if anyone else has tried it out, and hopefully save time doing things that WON'T work . Sly

[wiz]

Tried them, and like them for some subjects. I've got several images in my "Dreams of the Goddess" series where I've printed a woman in Pt and a bird in cyanotype, van dyke brown, or gum.

I know from personal experience that you have to do gum over Pt or cyanotype, not the other way around. I was told the PT wouldn't be stable over the cyanotype, and I never bothered to experiment to find out if this was so. I just lay down the Pt first.

[Don Bryant]

Tried them, and like them for some subjects. I've got several images in my "Dreams of the Goddess" series where I've printed a woman in Pt and a bird in cyanotype, van dyke brown, or gum.

I know from personal experience that you have to do gum over Pt or cyanotype, not the other way around. I was told the PT wouldn't be stable over the cyanotype, and I never bothered to experiment to find out if this was so. I just lay down the Pt first.

I asked a friend of mine who is very experienced with cyan over palladium and she doesn't reccomend palladium over cyanotype. P over C will bleach the cyanotype. If you are using digital negatives you can use the same negative for printing the cyanotype over the palladium that is used for printing the first layer in palladium.

Cyan over palladium yields a split tone effect but shouldn't be confused with cyan/palladium duotones.

Don Bryant

[sly]

Errr.... what's a cyan/palladium duotone?

The stuff that I know - a smidgen
The stuff that I don't know, but hope to learn some day - a bucket-full
The stuff that I don't know I don't know - a dumptruck load
Thanks for helping me move stuff to the smidgen pile grain by grain

Sly

[Davec]

Kenro Izu did a series of Platinum over cyanotype, a series called 'Blue' of nudes and still life prints. Having seen them in the flesh they are stunning a real sight to behold. I think he prints the Platinum first and then the cyanotype, he says it takes around 4 days for one print.

[Kerik]

I think he prints the Platinum first and then the cyanotype, he says it takes around 4 days for one print.

I've seen the work and they are indeed beautiful. But, 4 days seems way out of wack. Either process can be accomplished in about 30 minutes. Sure, there's dry time in between, but this should be a relatively low-labor process.

[Davec]

I've seen the work and they are indeed beautiful. But, 4 days seems way out of wack. Either process can be accomplished in about 30 minutes. Sure, there's dry time in between, but this should be a relatively low-labor process.

Hi Kerik

I remember seeing them at photo paris last year and they were framed but had no glass in front of them so that you could really see the print well. I thought i had read it somewhere in one of my books (Nudes by Anthiny Lasala) and Izu says ' i have developed this method with a multilayer process. Its pracatically three to five full processes taking place in one image, which could take eight days to complete. A finished print is cold-mounted on a powder coated aluminum sheet and float mounted with bolts and glue on an anodized black aluminium plate'

Not trying to dismiss what you said Kerik just wanted to state what he said. I would like to try mulitiple printing with my cyanotype prints to see if i could get any more tonal range out of the process, anyone tried that?

[Kerik]

Dave - not to argumentative... but, I wasn't taking into account mounting and presentation. As for the multiple printings, here's my perspective. For gum over platinum I usually use 2 or 3 layers of gum on top of the platinum. And I'm never really working on one print on a time. Over the course of 2 or 3 solid days of printing I can easily complete 4 to 8 prints (maybe more depending on the number of layers) and there is arguably more work/time involved with gum than cyano. Anyway, whatever... It doesn't really matter. Kenro's work is fantastic and I've been a fan for years. I'm just a bit cynical about marketing hype when it comes to art and alt-processes in particular.